Geert Wilder speaks on “Fitna” his movie.

1. Ingrid,I salute you.People like you are great asset for the peace and harmony of this world.

2. Mr Geert Wilder, your advance knowledge on the dislike is understandable [ but don’t deny you are facing the tail end of the Whiteman burden] Infact being a non Muslim BUT a global citizen I implore you read HISTORY and understand your COUNTRY’S COLONIAL PAST… in retrospect what your fore fathers did to countries like Indonesia and Africa as well with FRANCE and UNITED KINGDOM have been total violators and abusers, raping third world countries of their economic value, creating contempt in the governance with divide and rule policies which lingers on till today… so here lies the issues of your nations past deeds. Please learn to COEXIST for all our future generations and be a responsible politician with a social concern to heal past misgivings. Here lies the strength of all religion if practiced to the pure essence of it’s calling.

   Respecting and co existing is deeper than professing political ambition the DUTCH are known for the broad viewpoint and your actions only creates more HATE AND ENIMITY IN A DYNAMIC EARTH. If this gives you political power in the near future and brings hardship to thousands of families or millions that live in fear of retaliation or even economic boycott will it help society or international relations?

   As much as we profess free speech, human dignity, tolerance and spiritual understanding and acknowledge that reactive action of factions within a grouping occur not only in ISLAM but also other religions in the world the ANTI BLACK – KKK in the early 60 in US, Neo NAZI in EUROPE as well as government backed genocide like Rawanda and Sri Lanka are all caused by ACTIONS FROM PAST MISDEEDS.

   Being apolitical your stand and lamenting the so called ASIAN/AFRICAN invasion to your country is unjust, shortsighted and cruel. Well it was driven by past association and colonial ties that you find cities like London, Paris & Amsterdam filled with foreign culture and colour. Yes some hardship, adjustment and strife has brought about many rich, wealthy and well known NON EUROPEANS [ not to forget the support that model countries like NORWAY and other Scandinavian countries provided] that own prime properties in these cities and create employment to the masses.

   Please use your talent towards global healing and for A POSITIVE CAUSE ….. it will definitely mean more to disengage from a RENEGADE mentality and work towards cultural understanding and co existence. If your point of view implores these factions as terrorist, please define what TERRORIST really means. – let me enlighten you [noun] a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of POLITICAL AIMS.
   Do you see who the real terrorist is? Sound like IT’S YOU SIR !!!!!!!

   Your statements on migration and the quality of the migrant that arrive from the mountains of Morocco is degrading and leaves less to be desired of the greedy actions of your fore fathers conquest in the 17th – 19th century, civilization needs assimilation and tolerance to develop and your stance reflects a undertone of fascisms. The essence here is to take remedial action to educate and provide not only housing and ostracize this community. HERE LIES THE BIGGEST ISSUE WE ARE FACING. The thou are holier, superior and better starts the vicious cycle of hatred, disgust and discrimination. Social issues and the lack of considerate thought or rational starts the flames of racial sentiment and what you perceive as a SUPERIOR CULTURE…. Do you deliver you offspring in a shorter gestation period? Do your offspring walk immediately upon delivery? In what way are you different from a Muslim or a Buddhist? Do you have an extra mouth or on a proverbial stance “ born with a silver spoon” REFLECT AND STRAT TO REALISE …. It is only your perceived ideology that makes you undignified my immature politician. We had a politician named Pauline Hanson in Australia that just fizzled out because the world remains alert of potential dictators like HITLER. The Dutch or your country is left exposed to your rhetoric’s and the truth is there are many bright people in Holand that understand what I write. Thus; disassociating your STAND!!!

   Here lies a challenge for you to work on the similarities within the disparity in your wonderful country by acknowledging the many differences in perspective and belief and explore and develop mutual trust and concern on collective issues that have a lasting impact to mankind

3. A lot of people ask why there are so many contradictory verses in the Koran. Reason: Mohammed was mentally unstable so he said contradictory things at different stages of his life. Somewhere he says ‘Kill wherever you see them’ [that is the infidels]; somewhere he says ‘leave it to God, he will judge them’, somewhere else he says ‘don’t befriend them’.

   Mohammed is an insane paranoid man. His religion spread through war and terror. What we hear about Islamic Art and Civilization such as architecture of mosques, poetry etc. is not from Islam itself but from the humanity and art of the defeated countries attacked by Islamic Barbarians who forced these people into Islam as otherwise these people had to pay a special tax to them.

   The Council Churches and some others have criticized Wilders for not talking about mainstream Islam. This is like saying when someone has cancer don’t bother about the cancerous tissue, think of the larger normal body cells! Have you ever heard of a bigger stupidity? You must judge dangerous elements by their virulence not numbers.

   The node for destruction of civilization is in the Koran and, if not now, it can be used in future by thugs and psychopaths in the service of a new form of fascism.

   In which humane ideology you find instruction for men to beat their wives if they don’t submit to them. You find the instruction in the Koran. A cookbook of common sense moral advice mixed with virtually demonic injunction to beat, kill and maim. The mind of Mohammed is a battleground between Santan and God and he is a chimeric incarnation of both. A God with a Satan’s Head.

   Wilders has served humanity by opening up debate with his film. He doesn’t insult anybody. He shows the truth. He does’t want hate. His message is very humane. His words were confirmed by threats of death made to Liveleak.com staff (who had put up the film on their Website); by the same hateful Muslims so the Website has currently had to remove it. You can still watch the film on http://www.YouTube.Com

4. Ingrid, is it that difficult to understand ?

   As a woman, would you accept an inferior status by law? Would you accept men telling you what to wear and how, rape you and beat you to death because it was actually your fault?

   This is the daily reality of women and many other, equally weak, parts of moslim society. This reality is imported to Europe in a pace which is alarming.

   No, really, do you think that there is anything pious in the will to kill women, homosexuals and anyone that does not accept Allah?

   As a Muslim, I am ashamed that we were not able to change these horrific sides of our culture. We have so much to offer to the world, but we are stuck behind a wall of medielval values.

5. Muhamad Abbas Saqib, I thank you for your support and encouragement. I too slaute you for your clear explanation of the faith Muslims have in all the Biblical prophets including Jesus (PBUH)
   I live among Muslims and they are such great friends close to my heart. The reason I respect them so much, is because I can see that their faith is deep and firm, from within. They show their faith by the way they treat others; with love and respect.
   The truth is, that there is no religion as close to Christianity, as Islam. They share the same prophets (Peace be upon them), and believe in the same Allah. So for Mr. Wilder to not know that is ridiculous! If only he had studied the Quran, he would know that there is great respect shown for all the Biblical prophets from Adam to Jesus (Peace be upon them).
   Someone had mentioned somewhere in this blog that Christians never reacted radically to the Da Vinci Code, which attacked the foundations of Christianity. True. But do you know why? In general it shows that they don’t care a whole lot about their faith! They are lukewarm and weak in faith, as compared to Islam, where in general, believers are serious about their faith and actually practice it and live it. There is also a lot more “broadmindedness” creeping into Christianity, were some people have a sort of loose, cafeteria/buffet style faith, were they pick and choose what they will believe in, what they won’t believe in. In other words, it’s like saying, “oh, that aspect of the Bible sort of cramps my style, so I’ll just chuck it out.” So this attitude has weakened Christianity a great deal. Which Christian actually loves his neighbor like himself? I know very few!
   Also modernism has also weakened it a lot, where people start actually questioning basically everything.
   What I want to say is that if something is precious to you, you will fight to preserve it, right? If not, you won’t really care.
   I would also like to reiterate an important pint that faisalk made earlier, that a majority of the Muslim European workforce is there due to economic reasons: they need the money, they need the work and could not find it in their own home country. So obviously, these folks are NOT representative of the general population of their home countries!
   Take Turkey for example. The only Turks who emigrate to Holland are those desperate for jobs and money, AND those who cant find anything decent to do in their home country. So obviously, some 200,000 odd Turks working on manual labor or in factories, or cleaning the airports, are NOT representative of the rest of the Turkish population in Istanbul, Izmir, Ankara etc. Mainly because they come from lower class backgrounds, and are often undereducated and generally from less privileged families. If you visit Istanbul, you will be mind-blown by how modern, clean and beautiful it is, and how cultured and refined and well dressed the people are! And if you live among them, as I did for many years, you will learn so much from their hospitality and kindness. YES, I am talking about Muslims!
   Now lets talk about a subject that perhaps many are afraid to talk about. Lets talk about U.S foreign policy over the last decade and see if that has anything to do with present world crises?
   Mr. George Bush calls himself a Christian. he claims to get directions from God. And does his god tell him to go and bomb Afghanistan and Iraq and ( possibly Iran next) into the stone age?? Does his god tell him to kill innocent men, women and children? So then whats the difference between him and any terrorist or religious fanatic?
   The U.S. foreign policy makers have made it their agenda to demonize Islam in any way possible. So, is Afghanistan any better off now?? Or Iraq? Who the hell wants so called “democracy” shoved up their ass?? Who is going to account for all the innocent Iraqi children who have died of cancer as a result of the U.S. using depleted uranium (DU) which is internationally banned, in their weapons??
   The media has been very subtle in playing along with this agenda to demonize Islam, and people like Mr. Wilder are just riding on the coat-tails of hate propagandists. Of curse there is also enough reason to believe that he is heavily influenced by Israel lobbyists. ( meanwhile, Palestinians continue to suffer endless horror and humiliation at the hands of abusive and sick Israeli solders)
   So, if any one of you European or Western bloggers here, if you were born into a refugee camp, if your own ancestral home where your ancestors, father, and you were born, was taken away from you in front of your eyes and bulldozed, if the olive trees that have stood in your garden for 500 years are being uprooted in front of your weeping family, if your pregnant wife on the way to the hospital to deliver, looses her baby because some heartless Israeli soldier makes her stand for hours at a checkpoint, if your son gets killed on the way back from school because he threw a STONE at an Israeli tank due to frustration, WHAT WOULD YOU DO??? HUH???
   Just sit back and watch?? Have a cup of tea? Watch TV??
   Certainly NOT! You would do EVERYTHING you could to fight and take back what is rightfully yours, and you would be doing the right thing!! And then you self righteously blame the Muslims for trying to fight back??
   And the WHOLE WORLD WATCHES AND SAYS NOTHING when the U.S. bombs entire countries, tortures people in prisons, and destroys their infrastructure! This is fine?? These mass murders are ok? because Bush is bringing ‘democracy; to Iraq? For goodness sake, wake up and smell the coffee!! he doesn’t give a shit about democracy, he just wants the oil!
   BTW, Think of how much money all the U.S bases cost, to be maintained around the world!! Their sports centers, their shops, their golf courses, salons………and the list goes on.
   Anyhow, what I wanted to say was that there has been an agenda of making Islam look bad for a long time now.
   If you look at U.S history (Christian) it is one of the ugliest in the world! Look what happened to the American Indians! Look at the history of slavery! It’s shocking! If you haven’t seen the movie “Amistad” you should, and you will be shocked to see the cruelty and pain the slaves suffered!
   What I am trying to say is that if you put a man in a corner by your narrow minded attitudes, if you mistreat him, if you label him, if you malign him and assassinate his character, sooner or later he will attack you. It’s to be expected.
   Present U.S. policy is like colonialism all over again! Only with more cruelty and violence and force, bereft of any meaning.
   So a lot of the Islamic fervor comes as a result of U.S incursions in the M.E.
   If the scenario was changed, and Iraq attacked and occupied the U.S, or any European country, it can be expected that Christianity could turn extreme as a response to it’s survival.
   So now, who is creating fanatics in the first place?

6. The cold north wind is blowing in vain – Danish an Dutch futile attacks on Islam

   The North Wind was trying to demonstrate its stronger power over that of the sun by blowing so hard to make a man wearing a coat to take it off. Instead of removing his coat the man held tightly onto it. When the sun had its turn it just had to send warmth to make that man willingly take off his coat. From Aesop’s fables.

   With the republishing of the so called “Mohammed cartoons” most Muslim websites and newspapers now exhibit signs displaying “except Mohamed” urging visitors and readers to boycott all Danish products. This public campaign has worked to the extent of making people detest any Danish product.

   Privately many Muslim leaders or Imams are gleaming with joy for the reaction that such provocative moves have caused and many of them can not remember any thing like it. They wonder whether is it a rekindled love or dormant emotions or feelings that have been awakened.

   These Imams have never seen such a show of love by the masses for prophet Mohamed, and now the stage is set for the anti-Koran film which perhaps would also reignite the interest in reciting the Quran.

   At the end of the day if these provocations turn out to be counter productive, should Muslims be thankful ? Certainly but not to Jyllands Posten or Geert Wilders. Instead they should be thankful to Allah who put at their disposal such an arrogant and ignorant enemy whose actions only served to strengthen their beliefs.

   Denmark has chosen to embrace the role of the whipping boy to whom all angry emotions are vented and Denmark is probably taking over the USA in one area, the country which has its flag suffer most frequent flag desecration or burning. So the previously respected Danish flag is now being widely used as a floor mat.

   Denmark followed by the Netherlands have chosen to be the football players who score the auto goal, or the soldiers who carry the guns that backfire.

   While Muslims are not happy with such provocations and do not appreciate these actions they are certainly grateful for the result. So why shall they pray for the replacement of conveniently placed players or soldiers?

   Obviously the source of these irresponsible provocations is not the cunning British or the sly French but rather they originated from the land from where the north wind blows or the land of the blond which proves that blond stupidity does have certain merits. Shakespeare was thoughtful in saying: “Something is rotten in the state of Denmark”

   But why did the Danes or the Dutch choose this time? Probably it is just miscalculation on their part. They may have thought that this is the best time to defeat Islam morally as it has so far resisted all attacks militarily.

   A similar situation where attacks have backfired was mentioned in the Quran in the chapter of light or “Sura Noor”. There is a verse that refers to an incident when Aisha the wife of prophet Mohamed was accused of adultery. The verse says:

   “Those who have brought forth the false accusation were a group from within you. Do not think it is bad for you, for it is good for you. Every person amongst them will have what he deserves of the sin. And as for he who had the greatest portion of it, he will have a great retribution.”

   This systematic attack on Islam has so far been directed towards the most sacred person in Islam; the prophet Mohamed and to the most sacred book the Quran.

   We should expect the next attack to be directed towards Makkah (Mecca ) the most sacred place for Muslims, where the Saudis would not welcome that attack publicly but privately would love to see millions of Muslims flock to Makkah exactly as the man wearing the coat was holding it tightly as the north wind blows stronger.

   One can not help but ask the question: What have the Danes or the Dutch gained from all of this? And have they ran out of other ideas to demonstrate the right for free press?

   Mohamed Alkilani
   Benghazi Libya

7. WE USED TO LIVE IN A FREE EUROPE !THE GUY IS RIGHT! FREEDOM OF SPEECH ANG WOMEN RIGHTS SHOULD PREVAIL.

8. I’m from Ireland and having lived in Holland for seven years, I understand some of the things that Geert Wilder says. I am not anti-Islam but the failure of many North African / Turkish muslims to integrate into Dutch Society is extremely frustrating for the Dutch.

9. Free speech huh. But why not on a level playing ground? I hear you can get prosecuted for denying the holocaust. Dare say anything critical about israel or israeli foreign policy and see what happens. So i guess free speech only when it comes to islam right? I say to the hell with that and let me have my quota of free speech. By the way, I really don`t believe in the things i`m about to say, just want to excercise my right to free speech. neither do i want to offend anyone.I just want to see peoles reactions. here we go..
   1:) THE HOLOCAUST NEVER REALLY OCCURED. It`s just in the imaginations of people or maybe very few were killed, even then just as collateral casualties.
   2:) This wilders is a bastard and probably his mother worked in the red light district of amsterdam, LOL. His dad was an immigrant from Kokazia.
   3:) The pope was a member of the Nazi party in the 1930`s.
   4:) The Dutch molest their children and offer them drugs. They also sell their wives and use the money to buy crack cocaine.
   5:) America is responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent children and women throughout the world.
   6:) Bush is worse than Hitler.
   7:) America creates wars to test it`s latest arsenal of weapons on children and women in third world countries.
   8:) The deaths of thousands of people help create jobs back home and keep weapons industries running.
   9:) Arabs are stupid, for they should just stop oil exports to the netherlands! Don`t use violence, just stop the oil, and see who will be terrorising who.
   10:) American warship killed an innocent Egyptian in the Suez Canal. Apparently international shipping channel. Because the guy got too close!!
   11:) I say this is BULLSHIT!!
   12:) Stupid arabs!! learn from Castro and Hugo Chavez!!
   13:) Hugo Chavez has aremd a million Venezuelans with AK-47 in case the Big SATAN attacks.
   14:) STOP OIL FLOW TO HOLLAND NOW!!
   15:) Our ancestors lived without oil and cars and so can we!!
   16:) Destroy the oil fields they bring nothing but misery and death!
   17:) Stupid Arabs should ditch the Dollar and opt for gold or another currency.
   18:) America would not allow Dubai free Ports to buy P&O in the USA. Can`t they see that it`s because they are not white enough!!
   19:) There will be many more Guantanamos in the enar future. Even in USA and Europe. Wilders will be the head torturer.
   20:) The jews are a cleptomaniacal race by nature. Look at how they steal land in the West Bank.

10. Ignorance and stupidity can’t be cured.

11. Oh so now not only am i ignorant but i`m also stupid huh? Nice one Matt!!

12. Hugo Chavez JR, you said: “Free speech huh. But why not on a level playing ground? I hear you can get prosecuted for denying the holocaust. Dare say anything critical about israel or israeli foreign policy and see what happens. So i guess free speech only when it comes to islam right?”

    You’ve got a good point there! And guess what? I think you are absolutely right!

13. Those people who comment on this blog and make totally negative comments about Islam and their Prophet, you are ignorant. Now there are two types of people that fall under “ignorant.” a) Those who don’t know, but WANT to know, and the other is: b) Those who don’t know, and DON’T want to know. So if you belong to the second category, perhaps you should take your energy elsewhere, where it will be more appreciated.( like offer to polish Mr. Wilder’s shoes for example, as most likely he won’t have much time to do that there days) Because frankly your ‘input’ is an insult to anyone’s intelligence here. So how about it huh??

14. do we see any major violent demonstrated by the (hardcore) Christian when the show “Da Vinci Code” was release two years back ? likewise, i hope the Islam community can practice tolerance and fan any possible detestation with peace. after all, most religion known today does condemn violent right ?

15. Mr. Hugo Chavez Jr. I grow up under a communist regime for 27 years I know what freedom of speech is. How about you going to polish Mr. Chavez shoes for two months or so and meet him get to know him “the real one” then you are free to speak about freedom.
    Huh?

16. Matt, you are completely missing my point here! Answer me please why is there this hypocrisy even in the country of Geert Wilder himself? Why can`t a dutch even question the holocaust? Why? Why? Is it because the israelites are God`s chosen people? How about us? The rest of us? Don`t we matter to God? We muslims hold our religion very dear and it is not fair for you to compare us to other religions. And you know what? I`m not even very religious!!
    All we are asking for is to be left alone to live our lives without being attacked in the anti-islamic western media everyday. I can speak for Muslims in Britain because I have lived there. The majority of them are peaceful citizens making great contribution to the British economy!! And Matt, there is actually freedom of speech in Venezuela, are you that ignorant? And, it is not a communist country!! Ay least Venezuela is not running Guantanamo bay or taking rendition. Maybe America is a saviour for you, but to the great many number of muslims we see it as a great violator of the human rights of our brothers. Hundreds of our brothers are in Guantanamo bay for the last 7 years without trial. Sounds familiar to a Gulag right? They give Apache helicopters and F-16 jets to israel for use agianst children!! Ahh is there hope in this world for our children?

17. Religion = war
    Fuck the religion
    That’s why I have no religion

18. THE FAULT LIES WITH MUSLIMS. IF THEY HAD BEEN SINCERE AND UNITED IN THEIR STAND AGAINST THE TERRORISTS NO ONE WOULD BLAME MUSLIMS FOR ALL THE KILLINGS… The silence of muslims is glaring..but when some non-muslim speaks out the truth suddenly the whole Islamic world comes alive.

    Come on muslims. Take a long hard look at yourselves. You want your cake and eat it. The world’s problems are manily caused by muslims who in the majority dont follow the Koran and have the hypocrisy and chutzpah to yell out loud in God’s name. Look at tll the muslim countries – they are a shame to humanity especially when the rich oil-rich muslims live in vulgar opulence while many other muslims starve to death. shame shame.

19. Jurgen, you said: “The world’s problems are manily caused by muslims”……

    According to your argument:
    Would you then blame the entire Christian population of the world for Bush’s hideous and inhuman wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? Do you similarly blame and hold the Christians responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands of civilian lives, not to mention soldiers? Would you accuse the Christians of the world for the use of DU weapons by the US army, inflicting cancer upon thousands of children in Iraq, as well as birth deformities in babies, not to mention horrendous diseases termed as ‘gulf war syndrome’ affecting thousands of US soldiers? Well, do you??

    As for your statement: “muslims who in the majority dont follow the Koran ”

    Amazing! Where did you gather your statistics from? It’s certainly not a fact! Majority? Maybe you should look up what that word means in the dictionary. And by the way, isn’t this a case of the pot calling the kettle black? What about all the hypocrisy of the Christians and the churches in Holland and the West! Do Christians in the majority in Holland follow the Bible?? Or even Christians in general in the world??? Huh?? If this were true, Bush would never have attempted to make war, as this is totally against the teachings of Jesus! And yet he claims to be a ‘Christian.’

    How much genuine belief is there in the West? In Holland? Apart from a few exceptions, a lot of churches are dead and cannot profess to have an active congregation of believers and have to fight to keep their church members. There is infighting and bickering among Christians and many cannot work together. Lets talk about hypocrisy. Gossip, not giving a damn about your neighbor, unbelief in the Bible, and in general a lack of faith and an attitude of apathy, materialism and self worship. Thats hypocrisy, because all that goes against the teachings of Christ.

    ” Look at tll the muslim countries – they are a shame to humanity especially when the rich oil-rich muslims live in vulgar opulence while many other muslims starve to death. shame shame.”

    To that I say, look at the rich Western so called Christian countries, are they sharing their wealth and food with the poorer countries or starving children dying of malnutrition in Africa? Or do they rather destroy the butter mountains and burn their excess wheat so as to manipulate the market prices? Huh?

    What about the Dutch colonies? The Dutch ( and all other colonizers) lived in great luxury, while the brown skinned people whom they ruthlessly exploited on the sugar and cotton plantations, and oil fields, lived in abject poverty.

    So perhaps you need to look a bit closer to home to see what a nasty example the West has been, and still is, of economic rape of entire nations, till they are virtually slaves!

    So be careful about pointing your finger Jurgen, as every time you do that, three of your own fingers are pointing back at you!

    Shame Shame Shame…………

20. Dear Ingrid, I wish i can do full justice while admiring your point of view on page.I am an adwriter by profession and seek angles for starting an argument because it helps me to sharpen my weapons as wordsmith but let me confess,I can not disagree on a word of your’s.I just want to further eloberate your most recent statement in response to the foolish and extremely short sighted jargon of Mr.Jurgen..
    -Mr.Bush (more appropriately deserve to be called Mr.Butcher) and for that matter,every US government claims to be patron of democracy in world but NO US government, Never ever supported democratic movements in Muslim countries ruled by Monarchs.
    -Always support military dictatorship around the world,specially in third world countries like Bangladesh and Pakistan.
    -My country Pakistan came into being in 1947 as Democratic Republic but only after 9 years,military dictator took over and with the strong and contuios support of US government, remain in power for 13 years.During this black era numerous differences turned into bitter conflicts.After 13 years, this dictator handed over the rule the rule to another General,which resulted in breaking the country in two parts.
    -in 1973,first elected democratic government formed in Pakistan but unfortunatly only after 6 years,yet another General overthrew the democracy and put Prime minister behind the bars.And then with full consent of this uniformed king,sacked premier was hanged through a most controvercial judgment of a kangroo court.
    -This dictator was poured billions of dollors by US because he served their purpose against Russia.
    -1988 brought democacy back to Pakistan after the death of the said dictator in a plane crash, but only after 11 year. yet another dictator Mr.Musharraf,the blue eyed kid of Bush ragime,sacked the democratic government and the premier,elected with two third majority in parliment,was put behind the bar and then exiled for ten years.
    -Last year,when chief justice of Pakistan supreme court,challenged Mr.Musharraf’s unconsitutional style of ruling,he was sacked unlawfully,alongwith 60 other judges of higher courts and they were confined to their homes,alongwith their families,WITHOUT ANY CHARGES.Even their kids were not allowed to attend the school,thus they missed their whole acadmic year! AND STILL BUSH SHOWED NO DISSENT TOWARDS UNIFORMED PRESIDENT.
    -Even now,when an alliance of democratic parties has defeated Mushrraf backed government,Mr.Musharraf is still conspiring with the full support of Bush ragime…NOW,WHO IS SHAME TO THE HUMANITY,MR>JURGEN?
    Muhammad Abbas Saqib

21. The kind of pathetic movie Wilder has made is very cheap I suppose. Even I have better footage in my PC, lolz. Problem is we Muslims respect other religions and no one might ever see any Muslim producing a movie against any religion. FILM n’ TV media being the greatest source of knowledge can easily be used for DISINFORMATION instead of Information.
    I myself have lots of Christian and Hindu friends. We take good care of each other and even eat in same plates. This Media war is just Propoganda’s. All going as planned by the ZIONIST’s (not Jews). We are being forced to head towards the 3rd world war which would eventually lead to reduction of 2/3rd population of earth. Zionist’s(who pretent to be jews but are not jews but Atheists) have rejected Torah which clearly rejects the rebuilding of the state of Israel.

    Motive of Zionist’s are to bring a NEW WORLD ORDER which will be brought soon. and to develop a chaos type scenario they will support in every possible way. The final plan of the ILLUMINATI’s timeline is “The war on terrorism”. They are supporting everything … supporting media against muslims and financing war aid to countries against Islam, spreading pagonism in America , destroying christianity, cattering jews over Zioism n’ 3rd temple … supporinting Communism, Capitalism, Secularism …

    The reason for all what I wrote is that Wilder’s movie is a part of this conspiracy … this conspiracy not against muslims but whole man kind … WE SHUD THINK BEFORE ITS TOO LATE …

    Even I cud wake up one day n’ say I have created a film over JEWS in which I wud put in every possible material available on net and present it to the big screen. People will turn against jews. But I don’t think any muslim wud be doing this, if he’s really a Muslim. If someone does I wud again call it part of conspiracy. Bcuz Zionists play dual-channel. Support both sides of the war. Kill as many as they can bcuz in return they will be able to imply the ONE WORLD RELIGION through NEW WORLD ORDER …. about which every american leader has been talking since 1980 …

22. The Good thing I forgot to mention is that when fool’s like Wilder brings out such a video, what he doesn’t realize is that more people are gonna get through the Qur’an. More people are gonna know of the authentication of this Holy Book and more people are gonna become Muslims. Just like after 9/11 within that year 11,000 people converted to Islam. (I think 60% of American’s know even now that 9/11 was a home job.)
    Its simple if u have read physics … Every action has its equal but opposite reaction.

23. I just watched this so called documentary titled FITNA by Geert Wilders(laknatullahialaihim).May Allah someday opens his heart to see the truth.

    This ‘documentary’ was clearly released to provoke hatred and fearfulness towards Islam especially among non Muslims.
    In Fitna,even few verses from Al-Quran al Karim were shown and i felt that it is one of my duty to correct the misunderstandings that has been created by Fitna.

    Eventhough i was filled with rage and anger upon watching this documentary,i solely believe that this evil Fitna was produced due to ignorance and misunderstandings about Islam.The people producing this ‘documentary’ may have other hidden agenda or they are just afraid of Islam.
    The tile itself-Fitna means falsehood.

    The verses of Al Quran that were shown are taken from various surahs and i can see that the producer was trying hard to convey that Islam proposed the killing of non Muslims.In simple words they were apparently trying to come out with ‘proofs taken from the Quran itself’ that Islam is a religion of terrorists.

    a)surah 8 verse 60

    You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster, and all the equipment you can mobilize, that you may frighten the enemies of GOD, your enemies, as well as others who are not known to you; GOD knows them. Whatever you spend in the cause of GOD will be repaid to you generously, without the least injustice.(8,60)

    looking from this verse alone,those who do not understand or recite al-Quran properly will think that Allah asks the believer to attack the enemies of God(aka non Muslims) but this is totally not what this verse meant.

    let’s have a look at the verses before after this verse.

    8:56] You reach agreements with them, but they violate their agreements every time; they are not righteous.

    [8:57] Therefore, if you encounter them in war, you shall set them up as a deterrent example for those who come after them, that they may take heed.

    [8:58] When you are betrayed by a group of people, you shall mobilize against them in the same manner. GOD does not love the betrayers.

    [8:59] Let not those who disbelieve think that they can get away with it; they can never escape.

    [8:60] You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster, and all the equipment you can mobilize, that you may frighten the enemies of GOD, your enemies, as well as others who are not known to you; GOD knows them. Whatever you spend in the cause of GOD will be repaid to you generously, without the least injustice.

    [8:61] If they resort to peace, you also incline to it,so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.

    these verses merely teaches Muslims how to deal with the non believers who VIOLATE THE AGREEMENTS that are made among those two.
    IF the VIOLATION LEADS to WAR then only Muslims are supposed to fight back in order to teach them a lesson(so that they will not violate any agreements that are made)
    Allah indeed hates betrayers and if the non believers BETRAY their promises there is no reason why Muslims should trust them.
    However,eventhough Allah asks Muslims to GET READY and PREPARE to fight the INJUSTICE by war,if the non believers WANTED PEACE Muslims should accept it and put their trust in Allah.

    2)surah 4 verse 56

    Surely, those who disbelieve in our revelations, we will condemn them to the hellfire. Whenever their skins are burnt, we will give them new skins. Thus, they will suffer continuously. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.

    This is as if to show that The God of Muslims are very cruel and what?Muslims are that good?Non Muslims will burn in hell?This shall be stopped!-more or less this is what the producer trying to convey.

    let us see a more complete version of this.(verse 51-57)
    [4:51]Have you noted those received a portion of the scripture(Taurat and Gospel), and how they believe in idolatry and false doctrine, then say, “The disbelievers are better guided than the believers?!”

    [4:52] It is they who incurred GOD’s condemnation, and whomever GOD condemns, you will not find any helper for him.

    [4:53] Do they own a share of the sovereignty(power to rule)? If they did, they would not give the people as much as a grain.

    [4:54] Are they envious of the people(Muhammad and his followers) because GOD has showered them with His blessings? We have indeed given Abraham’s family the scripture, and wisdom; we granted them a great authority.

    [4:55] Some of them believed therein, and some of them repelled therefrom; Hell is the only just retribution for these.

    [4:56] Surely, those who disbelieve in our revelations, we will condemn them to the hellfire. Whenever their skins are burnt, we will give them new skins. Thus, they will suffer continuously. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.

    [4:57] As for those who believe and lead a righteous life, we will admit them into gardens with flowing streams; they abide therein forever. They will have pure spouses therein. We will admit them into a blissful shade.

    Actually this verse is about the teachings of faith and how the people who have received revelations from Allah deny the truth that has been sent to them.
    It is true that Taurat and Gospel are words of Allah.But there has been corrupts and injustice done towards the Books that they have been altered by irresponsible party.They do not want to admit that Muhammad is the last Messenger of Allah and do not accept Islam as the true religion from Allah.
    And for those who has done this Allah promised a severe chastisement that is the Hell fire and to picture how painful it is,Allah says everytime their skin are burnt Allah will replace a new skin for them so that they will in a continuous pain.

    Allah has given evidences,verses,lessons,signs,and revelations not only towards Muslims but to all mankind.It is only whether or not the teaching reaches you and if it reaches you whether or not you want to believe it.It is up to you to practice any religion as stated in surah 109 verse 1 to 6.

    [109:1] Say, “O you disbelievers.

    [109:2] “I do not worship what you worship.

    [109:3] “Nor do you worship what I worship.

    [109:4] “Nor will I ever worship what you worship.

    [109:5] “Nor will you ever worship what I worship.

    [109:6] “To you is your religion, and to me is my religion.”

    And also in surah 2 verse 256
    [2:256] There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.

    Thus for us as a Muslim,it is our duty to spread the teachings of Islam to non believers because we don’t want them to be punished in the Hell fire forever and we do not want them to be deceived by the so called Holy book of theirs which has been altered by irresposible parties.
    However,still the beauty of Islam is that Muslims are not supposed to force non believers to convert into Islam and if the message has been received by them yet they do not want to accept it,it is still up to the non believers to practice their religion for Allah has given us mind to think.

    3)surah 47 verse 4

    [47:4] If you encounter (in war-Jihad in Allah’s cause) those who disbelieve, you may strike the necks till you have killed and wounded many of them. If you take them as captives you may set them free or ransom them, until the war ends. Had GOD willed, He could have granted you victory, without war. But He thus tests you by one another. As for those who get killed in the cause of GOD, He will never put their sacrifice to waste.

    By showing this verse(plus not showing the bracket),the producer clearly wants people to think that Islam teaches its believers to slay any non believers they meet.In the documentary the verse is not even complete:
    (Therefore when ye meet the unbelievers,smite at their necks and when ye have caused a blood bath among them,bind a bond firmly on them)
    How cruel and terrible Islam iS!-according to what they have shown above.

    The more longer and complete version of surah muhammad is:

    [47:1] Those who disbelieve(in Oneness of Allah and the Message of prophet Muhammad) and repel from the path of GOD, He nullifies their works.

    [47:2] Those who believe and work righteousness, and believe in what was sent down to Muhammad – which is the truth from their Lord – He remits their sins, and blesses them with contentment.

    [47:3] This is because those who disbelieve are following falsehood, while those who believe are following the truth from their Lord. GOD thus cites for the people their examples.

    [47:4] If you encounter (in war-Jihad in Allah’s cause) those who disbelieve, you may strike the necks till you have killed and wounded many of them. If you take them as captives you may set them free or ransom them, until the war ends. Had GOD willed, He could have granted you victory, without war. But He thus tests you by one another. As for those who get killed in the cause of GOD, He will never put their sacrifice to waste.

    [47:5] He will guide them, and bless them with contentment.

    [47:6] He will admit them into Paradise, that He described to them.

    [47:7] O you who believe, if you support GOD, He will support you, and strengthen your foothold.

    [47:8] Those who disbelieve incur misery; He causes their works to be utterly in vain.

    [47:9] That is because they hated what GOD revealed and consequently, He nullifies their works.

    [47:10] Did they not roam the earth and see the consequences for those before them? GOD destroyed their works; all disbelievers will suffer the same fate.

    This surah is to teach Muslims how to deal with non believers who threatened them and who try to hinder men from the path of Allah.Allah gives permission to kill this kind of non believers if it happens to be a war between those two.Allah even allows Muslims to strike their necks in wars to show how Allah hates this kind of people as they not only disbelief in Allah but they also wants other to follow them and they always find ways by any means to stop Islam from spreading.

    And Allah teaches Muslims how to deal with hostages from war that is either to set them free if they are not dangerous to Muslims or to set them free by ransom in order to teach them a lesson.Sadly enough,many media has labelled Islam as terrorist that ‘the Muslims will even smite hostages,woman,children or anyone as long as they are non believers’.Even there are some rules to be followed by Muslims during the war like they are forbidden to kill pregnant woman,small children,old people,people who are not capable to battle etc.Those are falsehood indeed(fitna!) the title of the documentary that is.

    Allah clearly has reminded believers that there will be non believers who always spread hatred towards Islam as they do not like what Allah has sent to them like Al Quran ,Islamic laws etc (FORBIDDING GAY FOR EXAMPLE?)

    4) surah 4 verse 89
    [4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies.

    Again the producer of fitna tries to convey that Islam is not a friendly religion.Islam orders believers to kill none believers and their version are even worse:
    (they but wish that ye should reject faith as they do and thus be on the same footing as they,so take not friends among their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah.But if they turn renegades seize them and kill them whenever ye find them and take no friends or helpers among their ranks)

    As if whenever you find non believers,kill them,owh how cruel a religion might be?

    Let us see a fuller version of this surah:

    [4:82] Why do they not study the Quran carefully? If it were from other than GOD, they would have found in it numerous contradictions.

    [4:83] When a rumor that affects security comes their way, they spread it. Had they referred it to the messenger, and those in charge among them, those who understand these matters would have informed them. If it were not for GOD’s grace towards you, and His mercy, you would have followed the devil, except a few.

    [4:84] You shall fight for the cause of GOD; you are responsible only for your own soul, and exhort the believers to do the same. GOD will neutralize the power of those who disbelieve. GOD is much more powerful, and much more effective.

    [4:85] Whoever mediates a good deed receives a share of the credit thereof, and whoever mediates an evil work, incurs a share thereof. GOD controls all things.

    [4:86] When greeted with a greeting, you shall respond with a better greeting or at least an equal one. GOD reckons all things.

    [4:87] GOD: there is no god except He. He will surely summon you on the Day of Resurrection – the inevitable day. Whose narration is more truthful than GOD’s?

    [4:88] Why should you divide yourselves into two groups regarding hypocrites (among you)? GOD is the one who condemned them because of their own behavior. Do you want to guide those who are sent astray by GOD? Whomever GOD sends astray, you can never find a way to guide them.

    [4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies.

    [4:90] Exempted are those who join people with whom you have signed a peace treaty, and those who come to you wishing not to fight you, nor fight their relatives. Had GOD willed, He could have permitted them to fight against you. Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them.

    [4:91] You will find others who wish to make peace with you, and also with their people. However, as soon as war erupts, they fight against you. Unless these people leave you alone, offer you peace, and stop fighting you, you may fight them when you encounter them. Against these, we give you a clear authorization.

    Looking at the next verse(verse 90) alone is sufficient actually:

    [4:90] Exempted are those who join people with whom you have signed a peace treaty, and those who come to you wishing not to fight you, nor fight their relatives. Had GOD willed, He could have permitted them to fight against you. Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them.

    Islam is religion of peace indeed.If the non believers do not wish to fight then it is even forbidden for Muslims to even fight them let alone striking their heads.However if they are dangerous towards Islam and Muslims,and threaten Islam Allah gives His permission for killing those enemy of Islam.

    Islam never attacks but only defences.

    And from the verse 82 and 83, Allah has reminded those who believe that there are definitely no contradictions in Al-Quran like in other’Holy books’ which are not the real words of God for they have been altered by the Irresposible parties.And this non believers are also quick in spreading rumors without knowing the truth and without referring the to teaching of Allah’s last Messenger prophet Muhammad or those who understand.(like what has been happening to FITNA)

    Verse 86 even teaches believers to the way to greet people.What a wonderful and complete religion Islam is.

    Verse 88 reminds believers of importance of Unity. Allah also says that some people who have lots of dirt in their heart will not accept the truth and the teachings of Islam.This people Allay leaves them to remain in astray (may us be not among them) and even if the Islamic teaching reaches them it will not be fruitful as Allah has closed their hearts from accepting the truth.THESE ARE THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLOWED TO BE KILLED IF EVER A WAR OCCUR BETWEEN THOSE TWO(believers and non believers) and THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT A MUSLIM SHOULD NEVER REGARD AS FRIENDS AS THEY CLEARLY HATE ISLAM AND ARE THE ENEMY OF ISLAM.

    Islam is not cruel at all.It Is a religion that loves peace.

    As for us Muslims,we already know that the enemy of Islam will always find ways to defeat Islam.

    If Islam forbid gay,there are reasons for it.If Islam forbid adultery there are reasons for it.

    We Muslims believe that Allah is our creator and one day we will go back to our Creator.
    He has given us many guidance on how to live in this world peacefully according to His laws and of course He has the rights to punish us for after He has given a lots of signs and revelations yet we still disobey Him.

    For non Muslims,it is never wrong to practice your religion but still it is not wrong if you study about Islam and Al-Quran and then choose.Allah has given His guidance yet the choice is yours.

    About the pictures and videos that were shown in fitna i need not comment a lot about that for people can take a bit of this and of that to produce falsehood or anything that they wished to produce.

    Fitna will eventually become one of the reasons why more and more people converts to Islam.

    Now i have done my part and i leave the rest for you to think.

    All the goodness came from Allah and all the mistakes are due to my own weakness.

    Peace be upon you.

24. Ingrid- Watch the film. All of the excerpts are original Islamic sources- the hate speech, the murders, the hate actions. And yet, the films maker is the one being accused of hate speech. I know Guantanamo really bugs you, as it does me, but does the hanging of gay Men in Iran bother you AT ALL? It seems not. Look at the film, and look at the faces of those two young men about to be hung for homosexuality. Do they arouse your sympathies AT All? Do the pictures of the heads of the Christian school girls bother you AT ALL? It seems not.On the internet you can see the impaling (yes, IMPALING) of a man while the village men and boys cheer it on… good Muslims all, I am sure. I guess he might have deserved it for being GAY. Now, don’t come back at me with similar atrocities committed by the west, because, YES, UNLIKE YOU, ATROCITIES ALWAYS BOTHER ME. You see, the west has a conscience. If western governments embark on immoral expeditions, waves of protests grow amongst the people, until policies are changed (ie Vietnam). Muslims and their apologists, like you, seem only to anger over real or perceived affronts commited by non muslims against Muslims. Darfur? They, like you, don’t care. Beheading Christian school girls? They, like you, don’t care. Killig a beloved British female humanitarian aid worker who devoted her life to helping Muslims in need. Well, the people who knew her cared at least, but most Muslims, like you, DIDN’T CARE.Most Muslims, and you, DIDN’T CARE when a number of Saudi school girls burned up in a school because the Islamic religious police would not let them out of the burning building because they were not veiled. The Pope quotes an obscure text from a Byzantine emperor and BOY DO THEY CARE. (And you too, I bet.) I know of course, that some Muslims DO CARE about these things, but it certainly seems that most don’t as usually not a peep is to be heard in protest. And yes, I have read the Koran, It is a book of threats, first of all. Allah is always, about every third page or so, telling us the horrible burning hell he has awaiting us if we don’t accept Islamic monotheism.And then, absurdly, the chapters end with “Allah most merciful”. And, yes, I am not being a hypocrite, because I really do think that the Old Testament is even worse, but much of that is used as part of Islam as well. Death to homosexuals, death to daughters who have , at least in the eyes of their cruel parents, been promiscuous, death to apostates, death to Salmon Rushdie, death to the Pope, death to the Danish cartoonists, death to the Jews…death, death, death. I am sick of it.

25. Thank you for this excellent blog and all of your posts; they clarified a great many questions I had. I have to believe there is goodness in everyone and I am comforted to know there are people out there who’s view of the world has room for compassion. I appreciate those of you who have taken the time to explain the Muslim world in a way that opens my own door to better understanding and more compassion. I get so tired of the fear and intolerance that have become who we are as people.

26. Thank you all once again… i am humbled by everyones responses. Please remember to keep the posts a bit small..i blog4islam.. we got the point in the first 20 paras man lol…

    remember.. we can all either fight and leave behind destruction for the races to come. Or we can sort out and talk through our fears and issues with each other, trying to make this world a better place for our children. Meaning..at least a decade without any wars in the name of any religion.

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28. First of all, you can not look at one point in Islam without looking at other related points. Islam is a whole system.

    Look at Islam as a whole and not to focus on just one verse or hadith or any other input out there without seeing others related to the subject, that should be remembered.

    For the non muslims out there:

    TRY NOT to judge Islam by what you see Muslims do,
    but by what the Qur’an and sunnah say they should do.

29. Thank God for Geert Wilders. He is seeing FIRST HAND the “fruits” of Islam, ALL DONE IN THE NAME OF ALLAH OR MOHAMMED – riots, threats, violence, murder, ‘honor’-killings, non-assimilation, welfare, ignorance, intolerant of non-muslims, spreading more ‘hate-speech’ in mosques and Islamic centers, non-conformitity, spreading ‘deeper’ religious ignorance, etc, etc.,. With all the Islamic countries that have been given or ‘taken’ in the way of modern knowledge and discoveries they still for the most part, treat women like property, legally rape children, force conversions or mot allow other relgions without true freedom to practice other religions, etc. Most have no idea about the reality of these things. I know first hand. I can NOT be persuaded otherwise. I’ve seen it.

30. Amanda: How can you say we shouldn’t judge people by their actions??? At the very least, in this world, we are responsible for our own actions, the choices that we make. Now you can choose to be silent and allow terrorist group to represent your religion, or speak out and show the world that is not what you stand for.
    I don’t know about the rest of the world, least of all you Amanda, but I stand for my actions, because it is through those actions I tell the world who I am. I would never remain silent and allow someone else to say who I am, and I’ll be damned if I allowed myself to be guilty by association. If what we are seeing is a silent majority, the time has come to say “Don’t do this in the name of my religion!”

31. God bless you Mr. Wilder. I hope and pray your voice will be heard all over the world. You speak for many many people here in the USA.

32. This kind of thing make people more convert to Islam just like 911 incindent.

33. he is dum just watch he will die dumb christiaan look at them, he will learn the world is after him he will die and ALLAH WILL PUNISH HIM GOOD!

34. It is time that Industrialized countries that were founded on the very fabric and foundations of modern Christianity take a stance against immigrants attempting to erode what our heritage is. The majority of evil in the world is caused by the Jihadist and insane extremist of Islam. It is time to stand and tell them that they must conform to our standards, speak our language and that the laws that govern this land apply to them. If they don’t like them, let them return to the sand and rocks from whence they crawled from under and live as they did in their native homeland. There will come a time when the modern rebel and redneck band together and form anti-Jihad encampments that lead to the salughter of these evil extremists and eventually the Western world will mow down the mosques erected from Lebanon to China. White men will capture and rule over this primitive people once more as they did for centuries. Good always conquers evil and at the appointed time the false prophets of Muhammed will realize that Allah, Jehovah, the One True God, is in power and that their sufferrings are due to their own iniquity. Judaism has been around for 6000 years. At one time, up until 900 AD, all the non-Jews of the middle east and Asia were either Jews, Agnostic or Christians. Then Muhammed decided to refute the Holy inspired word of God and created the Koran which spews forth lies, deception and the very fabric of satan. Evil by any other name is still evil and when Christ returns to defeat the Satanists and aetheists at Armmeggedon, the truth will be revealed and the infidels, the Muslim pagans, will burn forever in the lake of fire and brimstone with the author of their religon.

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